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    Question Is the True Finns Party popular among Finns?

    When I follow the media, I see constantly articles about the rising popularity of the True Finns Party. What is your opinion about their rising popularity and how the media reports about it? Would there be any changes for immigrants currently living in Finland if they would get enough votes?


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    Default Re: Is the True Finns Party popular among Finns?

    Yeah they are very often in news papers, their popularity rising probably cos people like their ideas and wantings. I think I don't read enough Finnish newspapers that I would know which newspapers supporting more an politic party if that thing there exists. They could change things if they would get many many votes, sorry for my bad English.

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    Default Re: Is the True Finns Party popular among Finns?

    What do you think about their Election Manifesto:
    True Finns Publish Election Manifesto | News | YLE Uutiset | yle.fi

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    Default Re: Is the True Finns Party popular among Finns?

    I think they promise a lot but question is how much they can really change cos they wont be alone in that government and parliament right ?


    I like what they said, that but Turkey wont be part of EU that's for sure cos then would be so easy to bring drugs into Europe and immigrants who are coming through turkey from iraq iran would have free way to any country they want.

    good thing is that they don't want to join to Nato alliance and that they give it to people to chose if they want it.

    can you tell us what you think ?

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    Default Re: Is the True Finns Party popular among Finns?

    "It advocates tax increases for the higher paid"

    so they will drive the higher paid out of Finland? the same is happening everywhere else, so this is a populist move that will not happen when they are elected.

    "The party also wants to increase capital gains tax from the current level of 28 percent to 30 percent."

    So as well as higher paid leaving the country, many businesses will leave too. This is also populist, what they should do is reduce corporate tax to encourage international investment.

    "the party is ready to increase taxes on alcoholic beverages and maintain current taxes on tobacco products."

    No problem there, unless you are poor and your only luxury is a pint and a schmoke!

    Is there a mention of cutting the bureaucracy in Finland? as far as I know that is what is killing Nokia, and it is a Finnish problem too.
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    Default Re: Is the True Finns Party popular among Finns?

    They are very similar to the Danish Peoples Party in Denmark, Sweden Democrats in Sweden and other parties like in Norway and the Nederland.

    Based on the currently development I would say that they will be a political farce to be recon with in the years to come in Finnish politics.

    Personally I share little common ground with their views and find their manifesto very negative and unstructured. Instead of just a list of things they don’t want, I believe it would be much more interesting to hear what they do want (better education, hospital or what ever). At the very least I feel they need a link between all the cuts they expect to do (aid, less refugees, EU, no social benefits to foreigners, higher taxes etc.) and what that money is suppose to be spend on.

    It is especially they attitude towards the EU that I don’t understand. They still want to be member but they want to pay less, decide more and countries like Spain, Greece, Germany, France etc. should be excluded from the Euro based on the fact they have not lived up to the rules (which basically mean that the euro will be worthless).

    I would be very interested in hearing what they do want the EU for/to do.

    Second, cutting down on development aid, is an easy yet short sighted solution. I might save money in the short run but more hungry and poor people will lead to unrest, hunger, epidemics and maybe war, which sooner or later will reach Finland in terms of more refugees, higher prices on imports like oil and maybe even terror.

    Third, I just can see any meaning in ending compulsory Swedish in school. For me that is an insult to Finnish culture and a mockery of they own name: True Finns.

    In general I find their attitudes towards people without Finnish as their 1st language (this includes generations of Finnish citizens, born and raised in Finland by Finnish citizens who fought for Finland and dies for Finland) very hostile.

    Immigrants should accept and observe Finnish laws and cultural norms, the manifesto notes. Those immigrants granted a residence permit should not receive social benefits.

    It is a given that ANYONE, also Finnish citizens, should follow the law, but they choose to single out immigrants and thereby implying that they are not following the law.
    By not giving social benefits they, again, single out immigrants and labeling them as 2nd class citizens. If an immigrant has work 3 years in Finland and looses his/hers job, why should (s)he not get benefits compared to a Finn that have never worked or paid tax?


    I could go on but better stop here.

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    Default Re: Is the True Finns Party popular among Finns?

    Quote Originally Posted by kettu View Post
    I like what they said, that but Turkey wont be part of EU that's for sure cos then would be so easy to bring drugs into Europe and immigrants who are coming through turkey from iraq iran would have free way to any country they want.
    With that way of thinking, Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland etc. should not be members either. Spain and Italy have HUGE problems with illegal immigrants and they have for many years asked the EU for help but every time the EU (typically the northern EU countries) have said that it is a local problem, not an EU problem.

    Before Poland became a member many fear that cheap polish workers would flood the labor market but it never happed.

    Why would it be easier to cross the Turkish border with (or without) drugs than it would be to cross the Rumanian border or any other external border?

    If Turkey otherwise like up to the exportations I see no reason to exclude them from the EU.

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    Default Re: Is the True Finns Party popular among Finns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik View Post
    With that way of thinking, Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland etc. should not be members either. Spain and Italy have HUGE problems with illegal immigrants and they have for many years asked the EU for help but every time the EU (typically the northern EU countries) have said that it is a local problem, not an EU problem.

    Before Poland became a member many fear that cheap polish workers would flood the labor market but it never happed.

    Why would it be easier to cross the Turkish border with (or without) drugs than it would be to cross the Rumanian border or any other external border?

    If Turkey otherwise like up to the exportations I see no reason to exclude them from the EU.
    Since you don't know where opium is rising and trough what countries it comes to west europe I won't tell anything.


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    I like what they said, that but Turkey wont be part of EU that's for sure cos then would be so easy to bring drugs into Europe and immigrants who are coming through turkey from iraq iran would have free way to any country they want.
    Where do you see the problem with immigrants from Turkey, Iraq and Iran? You think they are all drug dealers?

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    Default Re: Is the True Finns Party popular among Finns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zang View Post
    Where do you see the problem with immigrants from Turkey, Iraq and Iran? You think they are all drug dealers?
    I think and statistics shows that a lot of immigrants who are coming to Balkan peninsula coming from Turkey that immigrants are not Turkish people they are mostly people from Iraq,Iran,Afghanistan and people from African countries. I think Turkey should have more better security at their borders.

    I didn't said that immigrants are drugs dealers. But here on Croatian borders we find a lot of drugs (I mean in KG) from people who are working in western countries and they are with Turkish roots. ish people.

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