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Old 18th-September-2008   #1
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What do you think about the Romas begging in Helsinki?


Here is an interesting article about it. In some way I feel a bit sorry for them.

Helsingin Sanomat - International Edition - Metro

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Here's a news article depicting how good workers these Romas are.

Aamulehti | Kerjäläiset saivat töitä ja pikapotkut

A marketplace worker offered work for 7 Romas as berry pickers and arranged a transportation to a farm for them. But instead of working they just sitted there, ate few berries and one started to play his accordion istrument

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IMO, begging should be made illegal.
 
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Interesting article and I agree that I feel very sorry for people that have to resort to this kind of thing to make a living. I was used to seeing them in Barcelona, where I lived before, but the weather is a hell of a lot better for sitting on the streets.

It does highlight an interesting point too, that I'm sure many of us have already experienced. It's the same in the UK too and it's the idea of different classes of immigrants. Basically, as we know, white EU citizens are barely even considered immigrants as the use of the word is so negative. Then other groups like Eastern Europeans, Black, Asian, Oriental etc. seem to be classed in a different way. People's comments on these groups as immigrants are so often preceded by, "I'm not a racist but...". This is then usually followed by some example of one of "those" people doing something wrong. This is then applied to all the rest. It really saddens me to see and hear this kind of thing.
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Its everywhere like this...dont really know what problem people have with people from other countries...I think there is a lack of trust and the EU should spend more money in bringing people together..

By the way..did you know that the founder of the department store Stockmann and the architect of the city of Helsinki (Engels) were Germans

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Are you suggesting it's Finland's fault that those Romanians are begging here? Gimme a break
 
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No, it's nobodys fault. If you would be in their situation...what would you do?

I am also in Finland because of my girlfriend...If I would be just after my career I would have left this country already
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Its everywhere like this...dont really know what problem people have with people from other countries...I think there is a lack of trust and the EU should spend more money in bringing people together..

By the way..did you know that the founder of the department store Stockmann and the architect of the city of Helsinki (Engels) were Germans
The problem is that nobody wants people who cannot earn their living but come here to live on Finnish tax payers' expense. Even if they beg at some point they become our problem cause they have to be flown/sent back as they cannot make a living here. There is enough Finns needing help, social benefits and vacancies, we don't want poor foreigners.
I cannot understand how these poor people (or is it just an act?) have managed to find the money to travel here in the first place! This is all organised as it has been said so many times.
The beggers have be dealt by their own governments in their own countries. It takes time to build the infrastructure but hey, even Finland has done this and see where we are now.

Yes, we are aware of the history of Stockmanns and know who Carl Ludwig Engel (not Engels ) is.
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well, I know graduates here from western european countries who have been unemployed here for months. Nobody wanted to give them a job. So what should they do?

Most of them came here because they have a girlfriend here. So either they stay here and the guy get discriminated until he can speak the language or they go to the other country and the Finnish girl gets discriminated. Doesnt matter where you go..as a foreigner you have it always difficult.
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No, it's nobodys fault. If you would be in their situation...what would you do?

I would not spend my last money to go to an unknown place with nothing but insecurity in my pocket. I would stay in my own country and try to do whatever it takes to make a living there.

I am also in Finland because of my girlfriend... If I would be just after my career I would have left this country already
Unfortunately foreigners seldom make a career here, just stating a fact
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yes that's well known... thats why you have only 5% foreigners here and makes live so diverse
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